The Joe Rogan Experience - #1169 - Elon Musk
发布时间:2018-09-07 00:00:00
原节目
埃隆·马斯克在谈话中涵盖了广泛的话题,反映了他多方面的兴趣和面向未来的思考。对话以轻松幽默的方式开始,谈论他的公司“无聊公司”(The Boring Company)的一个幽默副项目“非火焰喷射器”,灵感来源于电影《太空炮弹》。他强调这只是一个自发的尝试,并没有投入大量的时间。然后,话题深入到人工智能(AI)这个严肃的问题上,他过去曾表达过对人工智能的担忧,但现在以一种更加“宿命论”的态度对待。他表示过去曾努力推动人工智能监管,但感觉基本上被忽视了。
马斯克讨论了人工智能的潜在危险,特别是它被用作武器的可能性,强调的是“控制倒计时”,而不是末日情景。他解释了奇点(singularity)的概念,即人工智能的自我改进超越了人类的控制。在承认反乌托邦未来的可能性同时,他也考虑了人与人工智能共生的更为乐观的场景。他强调了他的Neuralink项目,旨在创建高带宽的脑机接口,以促进这种融合,并暗示人工智能可以成为增强人类能力的“第三层认知层”。
对话转移到社交媒体,特别是Instagram,以及它可能造成的非现实期望,进而导致人们的不快乐。他探讨了一个观点,即人类本质上是人工智能的生物“引导程序”,用我们的欲望、恐惧和原始驱动力来推动人工智能的发展。他思考着互联互通的未来,更高的带宽将模糊生物领域和数字领域之间的界限。这引出了关于模拟假设的讨论,即技术的改进可能会使虚拟现实与现实生活难以区分。
马斯克分享了他对监管的看法,认为监管往往是缓慢和被动的。他讨论了清洁煤,并回应了碳捕获“搞砸了”的担忧。他认为目前大气和海洋的发展轨迹需要可持续的能源转型。他讨论了电动汽车增长的瓶颈在于电池效率。他提倡提高住宅太阳能电池板的效率。
谈话涉及各种工程领域,包括飞机重新设计。电动垂直起降飞机可能具有能源效率,但由于电池电量的限制,目前还不是优先事项。
马斯克坦率地分享了他过去对自己被视为“疯子”的担忧,因为他脑海中不断涌现出各种想法,特别是与其他人相比。他表达了希望变得有用并为更美好的未来做出贡献的愿望,特别是让人类成为太空文明的未来。他强调了创造人们喜欢的东西的重要性。他最后强调了爱、善良和同情心在人际互动中的重要性,尤其是在社交媒体上,鼓励人们互相给予信任,避免妖魔化。
这段对话展现了马斯克独特的技术才能、哲学思考和改善人类状况的真诚愿望。在承认技术进步的潜在陷阱的同时,他保持着普遍乐观的态度,并鼓励人们采取积极主动的方式来塑造人类更美好的未来。
Elon Musk's conversation covers an array of topics, reflecting his multifaceted interests and future-oriented thinking. It begins with a lighthearted discussion about the "Not-a-Flamethrower," a humorous side project stemming from his company, The Boring Company, and inspired by Spaceballs. He emphasizes that it was a spontaneous endeavor, not a major time investment. The conversation then delves into the serious topic of Artificial Intelligence (AI), a concern he previously voiced but now approaches with a more "fatalistic" acceptance. He expresses his past efforts to encourage AI regulation, which he felt were largely ignored.
Musk discusses the potential dangers of AI, particularly its use as a weapon, emphasizing the "control countdown" rather than a doomsday scenario. He explains the concept of the singularity, where AI's self-improvement surpasses human control. While acknowledging the possibility of a dystopian future, he also considers the more optimistic scenario of human-AI symbiosis. He highlights his Neuralink project, aiming to create a high-bandwidth brain-computer interface to facilitate such a merger, suggesting AI could become a "tertiary cognition layer" enhancing human capabilities.
The conversation shifts to social media, specifically Instagram, and its potential for creating unrealistic expectations and contributing to unhappiness. He explores the idea that humans are essentially biological "bootloaders" for AI, fueling its development with our desires, fears, and primal drives. He contemplates the future of interconnectedness, where increased bandwidth will blur the lines between the biological and digital realms. This leads to a discussion on the simulation hypothesis, where improvements in technology may render virtual reality indistinguishable from real life.
Musk shares his perspective on regulations, arguing that they are often slow and reactive. He discusses clean coal and addresses concerns that carbon capture is "fucked". He believes the current trajectory in the atmosphere and oceans requires sustainable energy transition. He discusses the bottleneck in the growth of electric cars is battery efficiency. He promotes solar panel efficiency in homes.
The conversation touches on various engineering pursuits, including plane redesign. Electric vertical takeoff and landing planes could be energy efficient, but they are not a priority right now because of battery power.
Musk candidly shares his past concerns about being perceived as "insane" due to the constant stream of ideas flowing through his mind, particularly in comparison to others. He expresses a desire to be useful and to contribute to a better future, especially a future where humanity is a space-faring civilization. He stresses the importance of creating things that people love. He concludes by emphasizing the importance of love, kindness, and empathy in human interactions, especially on social media, encouraging people to give each other the benefit of the doubt and avoid demonization.
The dialogue showcases Musk's unique blend of technological acumen, philosophical musings, and a genuine desire to improve the human condition. While acknowledging the potential pitfalls of technological advancements, he maintains a generally optimistic outlook and encourages a proactive approach toward shaping a better future for humanity.