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The Joe Rogan Experience - #2054 - Elon Musk

发布时间:2023-10-31 18:34:19   原节目
乔·罗根和埃隆·马斯克之间的这次对话涵盖了广泛的主题,包括 Cybertruck、制造的困难、人工智能、埃隆收购 X(前身为 Twitter),以及不受控制的人工智能发展的潜在危险。 马斯克首先讨论了 Cybertruck,强调了大规模制造相比于设计的挑战。他指出了复杂的生产过程,成千上万的组件需要以高速度持续生产才能使车辆价格实惠。马斯克指出,制造业经常被忽视,电影往往关注发明家而不是生产的复杂性。他强调了 Cybertruck 中采用的新技术,例如其不锈钢车身,这使得生产变得困难。罗根随后获得了 Cybertruck 装甲的演示。 对话转到电池技术和电动汽车的未来。马斯克淡化了里程焦虑,指出特斯拉车型已经提供了足够的里程。他强调需要使长续航汽车价格合理。他还谈到了太阳能汽车的潜力,解释说汽车的有限表面积使得仅靠太阳能难以产生足够的能量。 讨论随后转向马斯克收购 X。他解释了他购买该平台的决定,表达了对其先前发展方向正在对文明产生腐蚀性影响的担忧。他指出了X总部附近的旧金山的状态,他将其描述为“僵尸末日”,作为该平台放大的主流意识形态的负面影响的例证。马斯克认为,X被用来压制对立观点并传播一种导致虚无主义的精神病毒,使旧金山成为最终结果。他断言,旧的 X 是一件被极左控制的意外的信息武器。然后他谈到谁是坏人,那就是正在推动人类灭绝的“灭绝主义者”,他们控制着社交媒体。 罗根和马斯克讨论了言论自由的重要性,以及允许社交媒体平台上有不同的观点。马斯克表示,X 应该代表人类的集体意识。马斯克承认,在新领导下,该平台可能已经向右倾斜,但仍然没有“极左分子”被禁止。罗根强调了审查制度和回音室的危险,它们会扭曲人们对世界的理解。马斯克指出,Twitter 如何成为一种被进步人士利用的意外的极左武器。 对话深入探讨了审查制度和政府对社交媒体平台的影响。马斯克断言,X 目前是唯一一个不迎合政府要求的平台。他批评了 Twitter 的前任管理层,他们在政府的要求下压制了准确的信息,暗示了第一修正案权利问题。 谈话转到了对我们周围世界的讨论。马斯克对允许制药公司进行广告宣传表示担忧,认为这是一个因素。此外,马斯克表示,他担心资金被用来选举那些拒绝起诉犯罪的地区检察官。有人在想,如果我们的整个生活都是一场骗局呢?这是有可能的。如果每一位艺术家的目标都是将人们带到地球上呢?如果人们认为某件事真的很好,但事实并非如此,因为他们没有看到真正的东西呢?你知道吗? 马斯克和罗根随后探讨了殖民火星的可能性,讨论了生命维持系统和随着时间推移改造地球的必要性。马斯克推测,火星曾经拥有液态海洋,并且给地球升温可能会释放出大量的水。对话随后转向了吉萨大金字塔的时间线,大约在 4,500 到 5,000 年前。文明的开始,就我们所记录的,大约是 5,500 年前。这就是他们说如果他们来到那里会做什么的时候。 在谈话的后期,他们点了披萨。马斯克不吃。他说披萨是加工食品,它会让人不想停止进食。他说在餐厅待了一段时间后,他要去伦敦参加一个人工智能会议。 马斯克随后开始谈论他的健康和健身,并谈到扎克要挑战他。然后他详细说明,如果你能抓住一个黑带或只是一个人,然后打他的脸,会更难。然后他承认这可能只是一个噱头。我会击倒任何人。我会的,如果我愿意,我可以做到。我不需要任何训练。我可以打败他。只是他比我矮,对吧?所以是的,我宁愿不。然后是世界末日。他们讨论的最后一个话题是人工智能及其修剪。如果人工智能决定说“我需要修剪 X”会发生什么?我不希望旧金山出现人工智能,因为它太危险了。总的来说,你知道,会发生什么?

This conversation between Joe Rogan and Elon Musk covers a wide range of topics, including the Cybertruck, the difficulty of manufacturing, artificial intelligence, Elon's acquisition of X (formerly Twitter), and the potential dangers of unchecked AI development. Musk begins by discussing the Cybertruck, emphasizing the challenges of mass manufacturing compared to design. He points out the complex production process, with thousands of components that need to be consistently produced at high rates to make the vehicle affordable. Musk notes that manufacturing is often overlooked, with movies focusing on inventors rather than the intricacies of production. He highlights the new technology incorporated into the Cybertruck, such as its stainless steel body, making it difficult to produce. Rogan then gets a demo of the Cyber Truck armor. The conversation shifts to battery technology and the future of electric vehicles. Musk downplays range concerns, noting that Tesla models already offer sufficient mileage. He emphasizes the need to make long-range cars affordable. He also addresses the potential for solar-powered vehicles, explaining that the limited surface area of cars makes it difficult to generate enough energy solely from solar panels. The discussion then takes a turn to Musk's acquisition of X. He explains his decision to buy the platform, expressing concern that its previous direction was having a corrosive effect on civilization. He points to the state of San Francisco near the X headquarters, which he describes as a "zombie apocalypse," as an example of the negative effects of the prevailing ideology being amplified by the platform. Musk contends that X was being used to suppress opposing viewpoints and propagate a mind virus leading to nihilism, making San Francisco the end result. He asserts that old X was an accidental information weapon controlled by the far left. He then talks about who the bad guy is, and it's "the extinctionists" who are pushing the end of humanity, and they're in charge of social media. Rogan and Musk discuss the importance of free speech and allowing diverse perspectives on social media platforms. Musk states X should represent the collective consciousness of humanity. Musk admits that under new leadership the platform may have shifted right but still no "far lefties" have been banned. Rogan highlights the danger of censorship and echo chambers, which can distort people's understanding of the world. Musk points out how Twitter was an accidental far left weapon being utilized by progressives. The conversation delves into censorship and government influence on social media platforms. Musk asserts that X is currently the only platform that is not catering to the government's demands. He criticizes the previous administration of Twitter for suppressing accurate information at the behest of the government, indicating the first amendment rights issues. The conversation switches to discussion of the world around us. Musk voices concern about pharmaceutical companies being allowed to advertise as one factor. Additionally, Musk states a concern for the money that is being funneled to elect DA's who will refuse to prosecute crimes. There is the thought, what if our whole lives are a scam? It's possible. What if the goal of every artist was to put people on Earth? What if people thought that something was really great and it just wasn't because they are not seeing what's really there? You know? Musk and Rogan then explore the possibility of colonizing Mars, discussing the need for life support systems and terraforming the planet over time. Musk speculates that Mars once had liquid oceans and that warming the planet could unlock vast reserves of water. The conversation then goes to the timeline of the Great Pyramid of Giza, which is 4,500 to 5,000 years ago. Civilizations start, for what we have written down, is roughly 5,500 years ago. This is when they say if they came there, what would they do? Later in the conversation, the guys order pizza. Musk doesn't eat it. He states pizza is processed and that it makes people not want to stop eating. He says that after being in the restaurant for a while, he's going to go to an AI conference in London. Musk then moves to talk about his health and fitness and talks about Zuck is going to challenge him. He then details that if you can take a black belt or just a person and punch in the face it's going to be harder. He then admits that it'll probably just be a stunt. I will run through anyone. I will, I can do it if I want. I don't have any training that I need. I can beat him. It's just that he's shorter than me, right? So yeah, I'd rather not. Then comes the end of the world. The last topic they discussed with artificial intelligence and it's pruning. What's going to happen if AI decides to say "I need to prune X," I don't want there to be AI in San Francisco because it's too dangerous. Overall, you know, what's going to happen?