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The Joe Rogan Experience - #2255 - Mark Zuckerberg

发布时间:2025-01-10 18:00:00   原节目
好的,以下是您提供的英文内容的中文翻译: 在这期时长较长的乔·罗根体验播客节目中,马克·扎克伯格与乔·罗根讨论了广泛的话题,从Facebook(Meta)的内容审核到人工智能和扩展现实的未来,以及他进入武术和狩猎领域的历程。 扎克伯格首先谈到了他最近发布的关于Facebook内容审核政策变更的公告。他强调,他一直在努力解决这个问题,这源于他相信给予人们发声的权利,这是社交媒体的核心。他承认近年来审查制度日益加强,并指出2016年美国大选、英国脱欧和COVID-19大流行是引发巨大制度压力以意识形态为基础审查内容的几个关键事件。 他承认,在2016年,他可能过于重视媒体关于虚假信息影响选举的说法。他最初假设对方是善意的,并试图通过第三方事实核查员来解决对虚假信息的担忧。然而,该系统逐渐转向政治事实核查,造成了偏见认知,侵蚀了信任。他意识到这种方法是一种滑坡,呼应了乔治·奥威尔的《1984》中的主题,并且需要做出改变。 COVID-19带来了另一个挑战。扎克伯格最初支持政府和卫生部门为了公共卫生危机而限制言论。然而,随着形势的发展,指导方针和政策不断变化,保持一致的做法变得困难。他强调了拜登政府如何积极推动Facebook审查关于疫苗的观点,甚至压制关于潜在副作用的事实信息。这导致了内部的抵制,以及政府指责Facebook“杀人”,引发了调查和政府的审查。 扎克伯格承认大规模审核内容的复杂性,指出每天有超过30亿人使用Meta的服务。他感谢那些提出尖锐批评意见的人。他强调了找到理性、合乎逻辑且客观的人工审核员来分析每一段视频的挑战,以及恶意行为者通过大量举报进行滥用的可能性。 他将Meta最初的事实核查方法与X(前Twitter)的社区注释系统进行了对比,称赞后者提供了更广泛的背景信息,并赋予社区就争议信息发表意见的权力。他认为,改变内容过滤器以要求更高的置信度和精确度将大大减少审查错误。 谈话转到了政府对其科技公司的支持上。虽然扎克伯格承认需要问责制,但他认为美国政府应该捍卫其科技产业,这是一个战略优势,特别是要对抗欧盟等外国实体的行动,欧盟已经对美国科技公司处以数十亿美元的罚款。他对特朗普总统在这方面的潜在支持表示乐观,因为他希望美国“获胜”。 扎克伯格详细介绍了他的公司如何使用人工智能系统识别并删除参与选举干预的、相互协调的虚假账户,这些人工智能系统可以检测到非人类行为模式。他承认存在相当大的误差范围。他区分了一般虚假信息、国家级干预和非法活动,如恐怖主义、儿童性剥削、毒品和知识产权侵权。 他还讨论了对话从公共领域转移到WhatsApp等平台上的私人群组的情况。他强调他主要使用Facebook和Instagram来发布精心制作的内容,而使用WhatsApp与朋友开玩笑和交流。 扎克伯格随后谈到了他个人进入武术领域的历程,强调了它作为一种减压和保持平衡的方式的价值。他描述了他密集的训练计划,导致了他的前交叉韧带受伤。他的妻子实际上希望他在前交叉韧带受伤后继续战斗,因为这样他更容易相处,并且可以缓解他的焦虑。谈话转移到他最近对射箭的兴趣,他承认自己对此了解不多。他强调了这为他赢得了武术界的尊重,武术界认为它在智力上具有刺激性,并且任何人都可以参与。 最后,扎克伯格解释了他管理孩子使用技术的方式,倾向于Minecraft等创意工具和与亲戚的交流。他表示Meta专注于成为父母的盟友,提供允许他们管理孩子在线体验的工具。他捍卫了允许儿童使用电子设备的想法,因为你处在一个虚拟世界。他支持外科医生在实践中使用VR。

In this lengthy Joe Rogan Experience podcast episode, Mark Zuckerberg discusses a wide array of topics with Joe Rogan, ranging from content moderation on Facebook (Meta) to the future of AI and extended reality, as well as his journey into martial arts and hunting. Zuckerberg begins by addressing his recent announcement regarding changes in content moderation policies on Facebook. He emphasizes that he has been working on this issue for a long time, driven by the belief in giving people a voice, which is the core of social media. He acknowledges the shift towards increasing censorship in recent years, citing the 2016 US election, Brexit, and the COVID-19 pandemic as pivotal events that triggered immense institutional pressure to censor content based on ideological grounds. He admits that in 2016, he may have given too much deference to media narratives regarding misinformation influencing the election. He initially assumed good faith and tried to address concerns about misinformation through third-party fact-checkers. However, the system veered towards political fact-checking, creating bias perceptions and eroding trust. He realized this approach was a slippery slope, echoing themes from Orwell's "1984," and that change was needed. COVID-19 presented another challenge. Zuckerberg initially supported government and health authorities in curtailing speech due to the public health crisis. However, as the situation evolved, with shifting guidance and policies, following a consistent approach became difficult. He highlights how the Biden administration aggressively pushed Facebook to censor opinions on vaccines, even suppressing factual information about potential side effects. This led to internal resistance and accusations from the administration that Facebook was "killing people," triggering investigations and government scrutiny. Zuckerberg acknowledges the complexities of moderating content at scale, noting that over three billion people use Meta's services daily. He appreciates the hyper-critical people who are speaking out. He underscores the challenges of finding reasonable, logical, and objective human moderators to analyze every video and the potential for abuse through mass reporting by malicious actors. He contrasts Meta's initial fact-checking approach with X's (formerly Twitter) community notes system, praising the latter for providing broader context and empowering the community to weigh in on disputed information. He argues that changing content filters to require higher confidence and precision will drastically reduce censorship mistakes. The conversation transitions to government support for its technology companies. While Zuckerberg acknowledges the need for accountability, he argues that the US government should defend its tech industry, a strategic advantage, especially against actions by foreign entities like the EU, which has levied billions in fines against US tech companies. He expresses optimism about President Trump's potential support in this area due to his desire for America to "win." Zuckerberg details how his company identifies and removes coordinated groups of fake accounts engaged in election interference using AI systems that detect patterns of non-human behavior. He admits the existence of a significant margin of error. He differentiates between general misinformation, nation-state interference and illegal activities like terrorism, child exploitation, drugs, and IP violations. He also discusses the shift of conversations from the public sphere to private groups on platforms like WhatsApp. He highlights that he mostly uses Facebook and Instagram for well-produced content and uses WhatsApp for jokes and communication with friends. Zuckerberg transitions to his personal journey into martial arts, emphasizing its value as a stress reliever and source of balance. He describes his intense training regimen, which led to an ACL injury. His wife actually wanted him to get back to fighting after the ACL injury. This is because he is easier to be around and it takes the edge off him. The conversation shifts to his recent archery interest, and he admits to not knowing much about it. He emphasizes the respect it has garnered him within the martial arts community, which sees it as intellectually stimulating and accessible to anyone. Finally, Zuckerberg explains his approach to managing his children's technology use, favoring creative tools like Minecraft and communication with relatives. He states Meta’s focus on being an ally for parents by providing tools that allow them to manage their child's online experiences. He defends the idea of allowing children on electronic devices because you're a virtual world. He is in support of surgeon's using VR in their practices.